Looking Ahead…Way Too Soon
April 6, 2010, 11:43 pm
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It’s kind of funny…before the confetti even hit the floor of Lucas Oil Field, everyone already started asking about the big ‘R’…repeat. Click on the Duke Report and you’ll already find a dozen articles or blog posts about the subject. Of course I know you’re all asking, what does Balls think?

Can the Duke Blue Devils win the title again next year?

I’ll be honest, I’m getting out of the prediction business. If I was a gambling man, I’d have to sell my first-born just to pay off my debts. Yet, that doesn’t mean I won’t share my thoughts with you.

Looking ahead, some people already have Duke penciled in as the preseason number one. Like so many of Tim Burton’s movie remakes, I think it’s a mistake.

Do I think next year’s Duke team can win the title? Sure, why not? If the Tar Heels can almost win the N.I.T., than anything can happen. I just wouldn’t declare them the favorite.

Now I know what you’re saying, “Hey Balls, why you always down on your Devils? You said this year’s team couldn’t win the title and like most decisions you’ve made in your life, you were wrong. Now you’re giving no love to next year’s squad. Why are you such a douche bag?”

All fair questions…let’s dive right into this and start with all the things that I like about next year’s group of kids.

The one big thing I’m excited about (and I mean ‘stripper on my birthday’ excited) for next season is the pure talent that will be on display next season. This will be the most athletic team to play on Coach K’s floor in a long, long time.

Let’s take a look at the roster, shall we?

At point guard, welcome incoming freshman (6’2) Kyrie Irving. I’m not saying the New Jersey native is the next John Wall, but he’s certainly reminds me of Jason Williams. He’s super quick, smart and an excellent passer. He’ll take it to the rim one possession and launch a three on the next. You can wrap Irving up and slap a bow on him. The kids gifted.

At shooting guard, (6’2) Nolan Smith returns after an awesome junior season. Look for his numbers to improve even more. Most importantly, he should get more rest next season as Duke is suddenly deep at the perimeter (that’s what she said). He should be a serious candidate for 1st-team All-ACC.

Let’s skip the SF spot and move down low. Gone are seniors Zoubek and Thomas and in are the Plumlee brothers. At center, Miles Plumlee enters year three. This is when things typically start to click for college players.

Without a doubt, Miles can be a bigger offensive force than either Zoubek or Thomas. Late this season, he would occasionally flash the ability to create his own shot with his back to the basket. He’ll need to do this while still not giving up the boards on either ends of the floor.

At power forward, Mason Plumlee will get the start. He’s the kid with the most raw talent (excluding Irving). This past season, he demonstrated some brilliant moves, but struggled to just finish plays. That’s what was lost when he broke his wrist and that will come in time. He’s also the one player who will benefit the most from Irving’s abilities since he won’t be needed as much as a screener, thus freeing him up to do his thing.

For Duke to be successful, both Plumlee brothers need to take solid leaps forward though. Duke fans have been dying to having a scoring option inside ever since Sheldon Williams left and married Candace Parker (I still can’t figure how he landed her. If I was Coach K, I’d be using that marriage as a recruiting tool).  Anyhow, both these guys are athletic enough to be solid scorers inside. The question will be, how will they be on the defensive end.

The reason why Zoubek and Thomas eventually got the start, despite the lack of scoring, was the simple fact that they played good defense. Meanwhile the Plumlee’s struggled for stretches, especially when dealing with rotating and helping.

Now let’s talk about the small forward spot. This is the X-factor. Does Kyle Singler come back or does he head to the pros? At this point, no one knows the answer, but I’m sticking with my guess.

I suspect Singler will declare, but not take an agent. But like Henderson before him, I predict he will go pro. I think the final factor will be where in the first-round he is projected. If he is a late-first rounder, then he could come back. If he moves up to the late teens, just outside the lottery, he will probably go.

The big problem is the uncertainty with the labor agreement between the NBA and its players. There is talk of a lockout in 2011 and that would be bad news for any rookie heading to the pros that year.

If Kyle were to come back though, then yes, I think Duke is one of the top five teams in the land (along with Michigan State, Purdue, Butler and Villanova).

A starting lineup of Irving, Smith, Singler, Mason and Miles is as good as any other team out there, assuming the Plumlee brothers improve as much as I think they can.

The big question is, what happens if Singler does go?

First, let me shutter at the thought. Second, let’s recover from the shuttering and look at our options. Who’s left on the bench?

- Tyler Thornton. He’s a pass-happy point guard. In fact, he gives Duke a much-needed depth at the point. At best, Irving is a two-and-done player. This gives Thornton time to develop his shot, with a legit chance at the starting spot his junior year.
- Seth Curry. Little brother of Steven Curry. At 6’1, he has the size to play point, but he’s a scoring machine (averaged 20ppg for Liberty as a freshman).
- Andre Dawkins. You saw what he could do this season. His one advantage over Curry and Thorton…he’s played one season of ACC basketball.
- Ryan Kelly. In ACC play, he never played 10 minutes in a game and often only saw the court in mop up duty. Of course everyone knew this was going to happen. He still needs to bulk up to be effective in the paint.
- Josh Hairston. The (6’8) incoming freshman likes to play facing the basket and can pull up from mid-range.
- Carrick Felix. The first Juco transfer for Coach K and Duke. Don’t be fooled by the Juco label. He was a low-rated sleeper out of high school, but he decided to go to junior college to bulk up and get better. It paid off. He’s now on Duke.

So who gets that SF spot if Singler doesn’t come back? In an idea world, Duke lands either Harrison Barnes or Roscoe Smith. Obviously we know how that worked out. Duke still has (SF) Trey Zeigler on its list, but that’s not going to happen.

So someone will have to step up and fill a role.

Obviously you can discount Thornton. He’s a point guard. Inside, Hairston and Kelly are the only big men coming off the bench, so don’t look for Coach K to go big and slide either one into the small forward spot.

This leaves Curry, Dawkins and Felix.

These three should battle for that opening spot (again, assuming Singler goes pro). If I had to put money on it, I’d say Curry beats out Dawkins at the start of the season. This of course means Duke runs with three guards…three small guards (none taller than 6’2) to go along with the 6’10 and 6’11 Plumlee brothers.

Offensively this could be great. Duke could be the quickest, most high-flying team in college basketball (when was the last time you saw that sentence?), throwing up threes like the two-point shot was banned. Yet, what would Duke do if faced with a bigger team, especially a team with a 6’6 or taller SF?

Dawkins is bigger at 6’4 and could counter the size. If his three is falling and he can improve his defense, then you’re looking at a solid starting five.

However, the X-Factor has to be Carrick Felix. It’s kind of hard to judge how good he will be. I’ve seen some highlights and I’ve done a ton of reading, but I just don’t know.

The best comparison I’ve seen compares him to former Dukie, Dahntay Jones. This would be fantastic. I can certainly see Felix getting the starting SF nod once ACC play kicks in.

The fact is, with Irving, Smith and the Plumlee brothers, there are enough scorers. Felix could be that uber-athletic wing man who will be asked to guard every opponent’s best player and help on the glass. You know what, let’s just say it…Felix’s job will be to shut down Harrison Barnes. There, I said it.

No matter who ends up where, no matter who grabs that SF spot, two things are very clear.

First, you can wave goodbye to the motion offense. Gone. Led by Irving at the point, Duke is loaded with quick athletic players. There is no doubt that Coach K won’t install a high-octane, up-tempo offense. It’s going to look a lot like the 2001 championship team…force a miss, grab that board, kick it out quickly and run baby, run.

You’re going to see a much more exciting brand of offense next season. You’ll also see a return to the old-style of Duke defense of pressing the guards and running into the passing lanes.

Now it’s time to talk about the second thing…and you’re not going to like this.

The reason why I won’t pick Duke to be the favorite next year, isn’t because of the talent, it’s because of the experience…or lack of.

The one thing I always believed in with this year’s club was their experience. You cannot overlook the fact that Duke started three seniors and two juniors. With so many of the best players heading to the pros after one or two seasons and with the rise of the mid-majors, upperclassmen is what wins titles now.

This is why it’s so important that Kyle Singler returns. Without him, Duke’s core 10-man rotation will consist of…
1 senior (Smith)
1 junior (Mi. Plumlee)
5 sophomores (Ma. Plumlee, Dawkins, Curry, Felix, Kelly)
3 freshman (Irving, Hairston, Thornton)

I’m not saying Duke can’t win the title with only two upperclassmen, I’m just saying don’t bet anything valuable on it.

Like I said before, If Singler comes back, then the picture changes and Duke is one of the top teams in the nation. Without him, they’re still one of the better teams, just not the favorite.

I will say this though, I suspect another down year for the ACC. Look for Carolina to rebound, while Florida State and Virginia Tech will both be teams that can compete for the ACC crown. But that’s it. Nobody else really bothers me. Whether Singler returns or not, Duke should be the favorite to win the ACC, with another shot at a No 1 seed in the tournament.

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Nice piece. I’m a first time reader of the blog and, in the interest of disclosure, a Duke alum (2003). Looking forward to exploring your library of previous entries. I do think that the team will be solid next year with or without Singler (mostly with him).

Looking even further ahead to 2011-2012, if Marshall Plumlee develops enough, it will be very interesting to see a Duke team play with three brothers (6’10”+). The headlines and word-play would be ridiculous (although I love him, Vitale would probably have a heart attack if this were to occur).

My primary hope is that this year provided the young players with “added” experience that will inspire them to play at a higher level. If Smith decides to leave (worst case senario), it is hard to imagine that the team will have 1/10 of the mental strength when compared to the 2010 NCAA Men’s Basketball National Championship winners.

Comment by Davis Hutchens, Charlotte, NC

Also, when looking at ACC next year, you need to recognize Purnell’s departure and the arrival of Donahue at BC. Could be really good or bad for both teams. It will certainly be one of the most unpredictable years for ACC (unless UNC completely returns to usual form).

Comment by Davis Hutchens, Charlotte, NC

I still dont get the “down ACC,” the last two National Champions have come from this “down ACC.” I think there is actually some parity growing in the ACC. Anybody cant beat anybody in the ACC, that doesnt make it down. Im sick of hearing that, there is no premise to it.

First off, if you look at the ACC next year of course you have Duke and Carolina, but dont sleep on Florida State. They will be a serious problem because of their size and because they didnt loose anyone (if Alibi stays). Look at Wake, has anyone noticed their recruiting class is right behind ours. Even though they lost Aminu and Smith, they have reloaded with some talented freshmen. Miami, their PG Durand Scott, he is a monster. Yes, they loose Collins but they played without him in the ACC tournament and made it pretty far. Georgia Tech, if Favors stays, another team to look out for.

Keep assuming the ACC is down and it will come back to bite you in the butt.

Comment by erbeard

The reason to say the ACC is down is because overall, when looking at the big picture, it is down. The reason why they can win titles is because it’s “top heavy.”

In any normal year, you will find Duke & North Carolina, plus one other team will emerge to challenge them. This year it was Maryland. Last year it was Wake Forest. This year I suspect Florida State will be up there in the conversation. If Delaney stays, then Va Tech stays in the conversation.

The fact is, a league’s success can be judged based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament. That’s because all that hard work and all those battles were suppose to prepare you for it.

Now Duke and North Carolina understand this. Since the 2002-2003 season, Duke/Carolina are a combined 38-10 in the NCAA Tournament. They have combined four nine trips to the Sweet 16.

The other 10 schools? They are a combined 27-27 and have reached the second weekend of the tournament only four times TOTAL.

Think about that. Since Maryland won the title, only four ACC teams (other than Duke or Carolina) has played in the Sweet 16. Only Georgia Tech in 2003-2004 has advanced past the Sweet 16, losing in the title game.

Below is how each team has done in the tourney since 2002-2003.
UM 4-4 (0)
Wake 4-4 (1)
Clemson 0-2 (0)
NC State 4-3 (1)
BC 5-5 (1)
FSU 0-2
Ga Tech 7-4 (1)
Miami 1-1 (0)
Virginia 1-1 (0)
Va Tech 1-1 (0)
Duke 17-6 (5)
NC 21-4 (4)

If I just looked at the last four years, it gets even uglier.

Duke and North Carolina have combined to go 22-5 in the last four years (crashing the Sweet 16 five times).

The other 10 teams? They’ve gone 9-17 in the tournament, producing zero Sweet 16 trips. That’s bad.

So who’s going to step up and play with the big boys next year (I’m going to do a post on this next week):

- Duke will be Duke.
- Carolina should make a solid jump up.
- Va Tech is good if Delaney comes back (I think he will)
- Fla St. brings back their top five scorers and already know how to play defense.
- Wake has a good class, but only upperclassman and no seniors.
- B.C. can only get better without Skinner, but it won’t be a sudden turnaround.
- Clemson will have experience, even without Booker, but who’s the coach?
- Ga Tech: I’ll be shocked if Favors comes back.
- Maryland: Who’s going to play guard?
- Miami: I think the Canes run last year says less about Miami or more about the ACC.
- NC State: One more bad year and Lowe is fired. He’s one man praying for tournament expansion.
- Virginia: He’s recruiting well, but the Cavs are still a couple years away.
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Comment by Rob

WoW, I wish I had your knowledge of the ACC. Those are some really interesting facts. REALLY interesting!

Comment by Brandon

Regarding the youth of this team, I don’t disagree with you that inexperience will be the team’s greatest weakness. However, I would also like to point out that both Felix and Seth Curry are transfers, so while they are classified as Sophomores- they have each been playing on the collegiate level for 2 years. Not a huge difference, but that could be significant when it comes to this team’s poise and maturity. Also, having a leader like Nolan I think will REALLY help the youth on this team as compared to, say the 2007 team.

Comment by Joey

Apparently, Austin Rivers decommitted just from Florida. He says right now its Duke, Florida, and UNC. You think Coach K has this one wrapped up, or do you think Mr. Roy is gonna steal this one too?? I just don’t want to see another Harrison Barnes episode. What’s your take on this?

Comment by Brandon

First, it won’t be like a Barnes situation. That was a 2-year recruitment effort. Duke has just jumped on board Rivers, a bit ahead of Williams.

In all honesty, I would say neither Duke or Carolina has the advantage. I suspect someone else is going to step in. The kid is almost daring Kentucky and Kansas to come get him.

He’s learned from his mistakes, so he’s not going to committ to ANYTHING until after he sees what happens after this year. We also need to figure out what he wants to play, PG or SG.

The problem both Duke and Carolina will have is, they are both stacked at the guard position. Of Duke’s guards, none are one and done’s (with Irving being a two-and-out guy).

I think Kansas and Kentucky have the best shots, but it will depend on who they get this year. Right now, Brandon Knight, Josh Shelby, Doron Lamb and Terrence Ross are all PG/SG available right now for 2010. All four are being recruited heavily by both Kentucky and Kansas and only Knight is a legit one-and-done.

My personal opinion (and that’s all it is), the loser of this battle could end up winning Rivers, simply because they will be able to offer him a starting spot day one.

Comment by Rob

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I hear that the ACC is down all the time and the stats you posted are nice, but they don’t paint the picture. How have other leagues done in the NCAA’s minus their two best programs? The ACC has won the NCAA’s 5 of the last nine years with three different Champs and had a fourth play for the title in the same span, has anyone else been close? Every one likes to say “the traditionally strong ACC”. Like the 60′s (0 titles), 70′s (1 title), 80′s (2 titles), or 90′s (3 titles). Looks to me that the ACC is stronger than ever.

What was the point of referencing Barnes and Roscoe? They committed months ago elsewhere?

You do realize that Austin Rivers is Doc Rivers’ kid don’t you? There is no way his dad lets him play for Calipari.

Comment by Mike J

My point remains, you don’t judge a conference solely on titles won by the top two teams. All that says is Duke and Carolina are two of the best teams in the country. Sure Maryland had some success early in the decade and Ga Tech stuck into the title game..but that was 2004!

Think about this, outside of Duke and Carolina, can anyone say with any confidence that any other ACC team will crack the Sweet 16 next year?

If players like Delaney (Va Tech), Alabi and Singleton (Fla St) leave early, does the ACC have anyone besides Duke and Carolina that can crack the preseason 25?

As for Austin Rivers…why wouldn’t Doc let his kid play for Calipari? Do you know something about Doc Rivers that I don’t.

Kentucky hasn’t even tried to recruit him and Austin gave them a shout out. He’s certainly not doing it because he has a thing for Ashley Judd.

Comment by Rob

Take Kentucky and Florida from the SEC and you have a couple of teams that are decent same with Uconn and Syracuse in the Big East or UCLA and Arizona in the PAC-10, Kansas and Texas in the Big 12, Michigan St and Indiana in the Big 10. Get my point?

Doc has had every former Duke player…(Elton Brand, Grant Hill, Chris Duhon…..) that he gets around go and speak with Austin about their experience at Duke. This happened months ago. I haven’t heard anything to say that he had any of Calipari’s guys do the same. Doc isn’t an idiot. The NCAA doesn’t vacate for no reason. Calipari isn’t developing talent, all those kids had talent already and could have gone straight to the league. You are the only person mentioning Kentucky and Rivers, where did you get this exclusive information?

Comment by Mike J

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Why do you keep saying Singler is going pro. I am sure he will test but best case I have seen is one of the last picks in the first round to early or mid second round. I love the guy and he is a great college player, just not what all pro teams covet (although I think he is better than Chase Budinger and he played well this year). In the end I feel like all Coach K can guarantee him is a second round pick with a chance at the First. Look at who has declared, Hayward (Butler), Johnson (Cuse), Ebanks (WVU), the two foreigners Jay Veesly and Danatas guy, Turner (Ohio St), Xavier Henry (Kansas), Jordan Crawford (Xavier), Aminu (Wake), Ekpe Udoh (Baylor), Pat Patterson of Kentucky, all these guys can fill similar needs for teams and play the some combination of the 2,3, and 4 and I just dont see Singler being taken ahead of any of these guys. He is kind of stuck at the 3 and wont be able to play the 4 in the pros. And you know athleticism is the major factor and Hayward has him there. I think it is more likely Hayward goes in the lottery than Singler staying in the draft. Besides Mason is our top rated prospect at 19 on Chad Fords list on ESPN.

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